April 6, 2026

How to Figure Out What You Actually Want in Life (When You Feel Stuck) - Episode 8

How to Figure Out What You Actually Want in Life (When You Feel Stuck) - Episode 8

The Ken & Kim Podcast Real conversations about rebuilding your life when things don’t go as planned. What if you did everything “right” and still ended up feeling completely unfulfilled? In this episode, we talk about what it’s like to build a life that looks good on paper, but doesn’t feel right inside. We share our personal experiences with: choosing careers based on expectations instead of alignmentfeeling stuck in jobs that drained uschasing money while feeling miserabletrying to figu...

Season 1

The Ken & Kim Podcast

Real conversations about rebuilding your life when things don’t go as planned.

What if you did everything “right” and still ended up feeling completely unfulfilled?

In this episode, we talk about what it’s like to build a life that looks good on paper, but doesn’t feel right inside.

We share our personal experiences with:

  • choosing careers based on expectations instead of alignment
  • feeling stuck in jobs that drained us
  • chasing money while feeling miserable
  • trying to figure out what we actually want

And most importantly, how we started to change direction.

Inside this episode:

  • Why so many people feel stuck (even when they’re doing everything “right”)
  • How family expectations and pressure shape your path
  • The hidden guilt that keeps people from changing their life
  • How to start figuring out what you actually want
  • A simple way to begin redesigning your life (even if you feel lost)

This is a real, honest conversation about being stuck, and what it takes to start moving in a new direction.

If you feel like you’re living a life that doesn’t fully align with who you are, this episode will help you start questioning everything… in the best way.

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Do you ever wonder why people spend years chasing a life that looks right, or possibly that they inherited, but still feels completely wrong?

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Oh, yes.

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I know we that happened to both of us.

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Yep.

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As you know, when I was like 18, I started working for my parents' business.

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I was kind of pigeonholed into this role of doing what my mom did.

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She was kind of training me for it.

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Okay.

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Certain aspects of it, anyways.

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She was like doing all the accounts payable, accounts receivable, the bookkeeping basically.

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Yeah.

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And as the business grew, she was kind of pushing more of that off onto me.

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Yeah.

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And then I took on the role of doing payroll and human resources and all that jazz.

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I was young and I didn't I was making decent money.

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And I was being trained in a skill.

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Yeah.

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But I hated it.

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Well, you didn't know.

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Like, okay, what the heck am I doing?

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No, I had no idea what to do, but I know that I hated it.

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I was freaking miserable.

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Well, uh, 18 is hard.

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Like, you don't know what you want in life.

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Right.

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You're actually, like you say, you were just getting trained in something that you were like, okay, is this what I'm gonna do?

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Yeah.

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For the rest of my life.

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Like, you don't know.

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I mean, it was a step up at the time because when I was six, you know, I got my first job at 16 um in Connecticut.

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That's the basically when you're able to start working, or was back then.

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I don't know what it is now.

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Yeah.

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But I started at working at our local grocery store, Big Y.

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And I was a cashier, and that was by far the worst job ever for me, just standing on my feet all day and my back.

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I have my lower back, I have lower back issues, and that just was not good for me.

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Yeah.

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And and the uh customer service that you love.

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I was I was an excellent cashier, but I I know I've told you in the past that I always got in trouble because I had a bitchy attitude because lovely.

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I was miserable.

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I was miserable.

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First of all, I was really depressed, yeah, highly suicidal for everything else that was going on in my life.

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Not because I was a cashier, just because that's what I suffered with.

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But you didn't want to help anyone.

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You're just like I was really good at what I did, and I you know, all my managers loved me because I was really good at it, but they were always like, Come on, Kim, like we we you have to do better.

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Right.

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You have to you get you get complained about because you're just not being pleasant or whatever.

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And I was a bratty teenager, I didn't care.

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Yeah, you were rude.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I bet.

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But anyways, so when I got the job with my mom, it was like a step up for me, you know.

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Now I could work Monday through Friday and I knew my hours.

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Before it was like I had all these random hours on the weekends and this and that, and so and of course it was, you know, minimum wage, a little bit better, maybe 20 cents more than minimum wage.

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Yeah.

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So I was making good money and I had no idea what I wanted to do with my life, but I know I needed to do something.

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So then I start working for her, whatever.

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And But how did you feel?

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Let's go back there for a minute.

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So you're working with your mom.

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I know you said that you were miserable, but you had you saw like an opportunity.

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Okay, my mom is teaching me.

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I guess let's see how this this thing is gonna go.

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But back then, did you think about okay, is this gonna be my life from now on, or well, maybe a little bit, but I I was happy to be learning a skill.

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I knew that I needed a skill to maintain and make decent money.

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Yeah.

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However, I was so miserable, I was like, this I can't, I can't do this.

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So I was like, my family, you know, we didn't really go to nobody really went to college in my immediate family, anyways.

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My dad got like his associates or something like that.

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But nobody had their bachelor's.

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We were never, my brother and I were never encouraged to go to college because it just they my parents were like, take it or leave it.

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They didn't care.

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They we didn't like go tour colleges and oh, or what are you applying for?

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And let's get, you know, your your school resume looking good here.

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Like it wasn't that wasn't ever none of that instilled in us.

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Nothing like that was never even brought up.

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Yeah.

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Well, your mom wanted to be like an entrepreneur and Yeah.

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And so I did catch that bug from her, the entrepreneur bug, at a very young age.

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But then I kind of fell back in and I was like, well, I always felt in my heart that I wanted to help people, like in some capacity.

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But I had no idea how, I had very little guidance on the subject.

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So I started looking at because I had all these mental health issues, that intrigued me.

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But of course, I didn't know how to beat them at that time or work through them at that time.

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Yeah.

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But anyway, so the the mental health stuff really intrigued me.

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And I thought, well, if I'm struggling with this, I would really love to help other people and that kind of thing.

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So I did start looking at colleges and I thought, well, maybe I could be like a psychologist or a psychiatrist or something in the mental health field.

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Yeah.

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But so I decided, okay, well, I'll go to school, just start with my bachelor's and then kind of take it from there, see where that leads me.

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So I start doing that, and I'm I started taking all these psychology classes and I loved them and everything else.

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But as I was going through that, of course, then you know, I didn't go to college right out of high school, so I was a little bit older when I started.

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So I didn't have your typical college experience, if you will.

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I drove there.

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I didn't live on campus, I didn't have friends on campus, I didn't, you know, party with the college students.

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I was older and I was already like living on my own and stuff like that.

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So I started, yeah, around 20.

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And then I had a boyfriend at the time.

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And then I think we were I I guess I don't I don't remember.

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It's a long time ago, but I I think like I was going part-time and I really wanted to speed things up.

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So I started doing like this fast track program, but that didn't include psychology.

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They didn't have that at that time.

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You know, this was back when this is like early 2000s, so they didn't have everything online like they do now.

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They they were just starting to have courses online, actually.

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Yeah.

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Long story short.

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So they didn't offer all the psychology courses like at night and you know, on this fast track program, and I was trying to get through it as quickly as possible.

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So what they did offer was a public administration.

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Okay.

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And it kind of, you know, had nuances of psychology in there.

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So I just started doing that.

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Because you didn't know back then.

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You just I didn't I still didn't know what I wanted to do exactly, and I didn't know and I knew that I wanted to make a lot of money to fulfill my dreams.

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And I thought, well, if I become like a psychologist, I felt at the time that it was very limiting to what my income potential could be.

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So I wasn't I was not settled on that.

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Yeah.

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So I decided to just get it done because I had already started been doing it for a couple of years, and I was just like, I'll just get it done.

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And so that's when I switched into public administration and got through the degree.

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So I had my bachelor's.

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Meanwhile, you know, I was still working full-time for my mom, building my skills at in HR and payroll and you know, slightly in bookkeeping.

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I won't say I won't claim to be a bookkeeper because I am not.

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Okay.

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I'm not a good one, anyways.

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Right.

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I can do a lot of the things, but so, anyways, long story short, they sell the business as you know.

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And then I uh by that time was married and had my son, and when he was like around two years old, I got back in back into getting a career going.

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Yeah.

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And so now I have this bachelor's degree, and I have at that point almost 10 years experience in bookkeeping and human resources.

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Yeah.

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So that's how I kind of got pigeonholed and kind of inherited that career.

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And so you were kind of building as you go.

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Correct, yeah.

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But again, that wasn't actually fulfilling what you wanted to do.

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And that happens to a lot of people.

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So many people.

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So many people out there that trying to figure it out, okay, what the heck am I doing with my life?

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Right.

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And there are so many programs now that you could do online, you know, not like back then.

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Right.

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It was very different.

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You know, but still even doing it online, you don't know what to do.

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Right.

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And now also right now there is a belief that you don't need a degree to make money.

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Right.

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Right.

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So now it's a little changed a lot, but now it's you're confused now from a different perspective.

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You know, before, like, all right, I need to get a degree, right?

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To make money.

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Yeah.

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And now, yeah, you can still make money with a degree, but you have to go through, you know, get a loan.

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Yeah.

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And there's tons of uh videos out there and and and topics about what a bad investment it is to get a loan, to go to school.

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You know, everyone knows that.

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Yes, well, I still have I still have student loans to this day, and I'm 45 years old and I'm still paying them off.

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Yeah, and you're not even using utilizing my degree.

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So it was I mean, I won't say it was a waste because after No, it's it's not.

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It's not, you know, you went to school, you're gonna Well, after, you know, when I after I had my son and started getting back into the working world, I had this degree and I had all this experience, so I was able to get a good paying job, which sustained us for 10 years while I was there until they went out of business.

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Right.

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I made really good money.

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And but again, the money we always think money, money, money, money like that.

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But I was miserable.

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Like our boy, he's thinking about money right now.

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Right.

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He's about to be 20.

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It's just all about the money.

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Yes, it's all about the money in the world.

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Yeah.

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You know, we need the money for to, you know, to get the things that we need to get, and you know.

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Right.

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Anyway, so but for me, I'm from Columbia.

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I was going to college for engineering, uh, mechatronics, and I moved in 2009 to finish my degree in engineering.

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And I started working in a company in Connecticut where my family used to work, uh, manufacturing.

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We used to make medical devices.

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And I remember when I started working, I was working with um the seniors, and they were kind of you know, training me.

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They were all thinking about to retire.

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And um, here I am, 25.

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And I was like, what the heck am I doing?

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Like, is this I don't want this for my life.

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Yeah.

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You know, like, is this what is supposed to be an engineer?

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Right.

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They were just teaching me and how to operate some equipment and machines and machinery, and I was just like, this, this is, I'm not gonna go to school for this.

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You know, and I was into music uh back then.

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That was my passion.

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I was just like, I don't want to be a musician.

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But there I was in a manufacturing company being all you know completely confused about like what the heck am I gonna do.

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Well, you were pushed into that, yeah.

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I was as well.

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Yeah, so my dad is a lawyer uh in Colombia, and then of course, and all my uncles uh they have their their degrees in Colombia, and of course, one of the things was to hey, you need to get a degree, you know.

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So they pushed to for me to be or a doctor or a lawyer, and I decided to go engineering.

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But then again, that wasn't really what the heck am I doing?

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I didn't know what to do.

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Yeah, you know, it was really hard to kind of actually find a path, you know, of that you love.

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Like, all right, so I'm gonna do this.

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This is gonna be my life now.

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Yeah, you know, it's so hard to really put together and people struggle, you know.

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People struggle to how how can I overcome this like this doubt about to okay, what career should I choose?

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What you know path should I take?

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Yeah, it's just so confusing.

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Well, more so for you, which I think a lot of people go through as well.

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Like in my case, it my parents didn't care if I went to college, but in your case, your dad was adamant that you go to college.

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It wasn't an option.

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Yeah, it wasn't an option.

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And it was it was like you said, lawyer, doctor, engineering in Columbia.

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That's what you went for.

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Those were your options, and you had to pick one and you had to go do it.

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Yeah.

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In my in my And if you if you didn't, you were a big buck up.

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Yeah, and my brother is a doctor, you know.

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So he was like, he's a doctor, so you gotta he was going, you know, to get his degree back then.

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He's a doctor now, but I I was like, hey, you need to get it done.

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You know?

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But yeah, it's very, very hard to kinda find the path that you want to do for your life.

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Right.

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And I think, you know, like I said, a lot of people go through the same thing.

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Their parents are imposing careers on them or they want better for their children.

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So they impose like, well, I had to work in this blue-collar job all my life.

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I want better for my kids, so they're gonna go to school and they're gonna be a doctor, or they're gonna be a lawyer, and then the kid takes on that guilt and is like, Well, my family worked so hard just to get me into medical school, or they worked so hard to get me into whatever career path it is, and so now I have to make them happy and I have to do this.

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And and it's like, wait a minute, what about you?

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And what makes you happy?

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You know, so you and I both had kind of different extremes about it, whereas like I wasn't really given any guidance about how to make something happen.

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I was just like willy-nilly picking out of thin air and really didn't have any guidance, and you were kind of forced into something.

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So and I was like, no, I don't I don't know, like you you you just have to do it.

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Like you just don't know if that's what you actually want.

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It's just like uh basically your family are programming you to be something, someone.

00:14:52.879 --> 00:14:52.960
Right.

00:14:53.279 --> 00:14:55.360
You don't even know if you want to be that person.

00:14:55.519 --> 00:14:55.759
Right.

00:14:56.000 --> 00:14:58.399
You know, it's like there's no choice, you gotta go, you gotta do it.

00:14:58.639 --> 00:14:58.879
Yes.

00:14:59.039 --> 00:15:02.320
And then you're like, wait a minute, now it's like, wait a minute, what about me?

00:15:02.480 --> 00:15:04.720
What about the things that resonate with my heart?

00:15:05.039 --> 00:15:05.200
Right.

00:15:05.360 --> 00:15:12.320
What about the things that I actually want to do that are actually aligns with the things I actually want?

00:15:12.799 --> 00:15:16.799
But but the thing is, Kim, that people don't know what they want.

00:15:17.039 --> 00:15:17.360
Right?

00:15:17.919 --> 00:15:22.080
Like what do you want when you're like exactly 21, 22?

00:15:22.159 --> 00:15:23.519
You're still trying to figure it out.

00:15:23.919 --> 00:15:24.240
Right.

00:15:24.480 --> 00:15:24.879
You know?

00:15:25.200 --> 00:15:36.080
Yeah, and that's why I thought that we could share some of our story and maybe that could help people figure out how they can decide what they want to do with their lives.

00:15:36.320 --> 00:15:38.720
Yeah, because we had now decided a little a little late.

00:15:38.960 --> 00:15:39.519
Very late.

00:15:39.759 --> 00:15:40.240
Very late.

00:15:40.399 --> 00:15:41.440
Well, yes and no.

00:15:41.519 --> 00:15:46.879
I feel like we've been working towards our goals this whole time since we've been together, but we've never known how.

00:15:47.120 --> 00:15:54.080
Yeah, I think we sort of we figured it out, maybe what we wanted to do maybe came after our 30th.

00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:56.960
Maybe I would say that maybe like 10 years ago.

00:15:57.279 --> 00:15:57.600
Yeah.

00:15:57.840 --> 00:15:58.159
Right?

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We were kind of putting it together.

00:16:00.159 --> 00:16:00.399
Okay.

00:16:00.799 --> 00:16:01.759
What do we want to do?

00:16:01.840 --> 00:16:06.159
Because I remember back then It was entrepreneurship was our our big thing.

00:16:06.320 --> 00:16:14.159
Was like we wanted to have a business, but we had no idea what business because we didn't even know how to feel fulfilled or happy.

00:16:14.720 --> 00:16:25.120
And we were grasping at straws just to pay the bills and hopefully be eventually able to get the time freedom that we wanted.

00:16:25.440 --> 00:16:25.679
Yeah.

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So we were kind of building it slowly.

00:16:27.759 --> 00:16:30.559
We didn't know it's exactly what it was.

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Right.

00:16:31.440 --> 00:16:33.679
And w that's when we started with the restaurants.

00:16:33.919 --> 00:16:35.120
That's when we started with the restaurants.

00:16:35.200 --> 00:16:42.000
So we knew that we wanted to start something, and again, for those that are listening listening out there, you have to make a little list.

00:16:42.080 --> 00:16:43.120
And I I we didn't do it.

00:16:43.360 --> 00:16:44.559
We didn't make a list back then.

00:16:46.960 --> 00:16:59.519
And again, make even if the list doesn't make any sense, I think that could be a good a good uh starting point to write up the things that you may think you like or you want, but those things need to align with you.

00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:07.440
And for us back then, for so many conversations that we had, I remember going out to eat dinner, driving.

00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:11.440
We were always talking about how to start our own business.

00:17:11.599 --> 00:17:11.839
Yeah.

00:17:12.160 --> 00:17:13.359
So we knew that back then.

00:17:13.519 --> 00:17:18.079
Again, we didn't write it down, but we knew that, but we didn't know what kind of business.

00:17:18.319 --> 00:17:18.720
Right.

00:17:19.039 --> 00:17:20.960
And then we kinda that's when we started.

00:17:21.359 --> 00:17:23.200
That's how we ended up in the wrong business.

00:17:23.759 --> 00:17:30.559
We had the opportunity to buy these uh restaurants in Connecticut and there was a complete chaos.

00:17:30.640 --> 00:17:32.319
That was uh fiasco.

00:17:33.039 --> 00:17:37.200
Well, it was a it was a learning experience, it was an education, yeah.

00:17:37.839 --> 00:17:44.240
An expensive education and which was fine because you know, we learned what we don't like.

00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:50.160
So and it was an expensive way to do it, but nonetheless it was a learning experience.

00:17:50.400 --> 00:17:52.160
Yeah, a learning experience, definitely.

00:17:52.400 --> 00:17:56.799
And then we thought, all right, so what about online businesses?

00:17:57.119 --> 00:17:57.519
Right.

00:17:57.759 --> 00:18:02.559
Well, that's when we were started getting a little b bit more clear about what we wanted out of life.

00:18:02.799 --> 00:18:10.559
That's when we started defining, okay, well, now we have these restaurants and we hate being tied to these locations.

00:18:11.039 --> 00:18:14.000
Yeah, managing employees, yeah, the rent.

00:18:14.400 --> 00:18:19.839
Yeah, we couldn't go anywhere because we always had to be babysitting employees.

00:18:20.160 --> 00:18:23.119
And that was pretty much a miserable experience.

00:18:23.359 --> 00:18:32.559
But then we started deciding like, okay, well, e-commerce, like we wouldn't have to be tied to any specific location.

00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:38.640
We could live wherever in the world and and do our business, and that's really what we wanted.

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And we also wanted time freedom.

00:18:41.440 --> 00:18:45.920
So the first takeaway, if I would have done this again, I will make a list.

00:18:46.160 --> 00:18:46.400
Yes.

00:18:46.880 --> 00:18:50.960
I don't think it's only what you like, it's more like what resonates with you.

00:18:51.279 --> 00:18:55.039
And then when we started doing e-commerce, we started with drop shipping.

00:18:55.119 --> 00:18:55.359
Yeah.

00:18:55.519 --> 00:18:59.599
And I remember that we didn't like the drop shipping model either.

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Yeah, because it didn't again, it didn't align with us because of the customer service that went along with it, and we had zero control over when customers were getting their products.

00:19:11.119 --> 00:19:11.279
Yeah.

00:19:11.599 --> 00:19:20.799
Because if you don't know drop shipping, like you somebody places an order from your store and you place the order with a vendor and they ship it.

00:19:21.039 --> 00:19:23.440
Most of the time it comes from somewhere like China.

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So it takes like probably a month to get to the customer.

00:19:27.599 --> 00:19:27.920
Yeah.

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And you have very little control over that.

00:19:31.119 --> 00:19:33.920
Yeah, once when it ships, you're like, okay, I don't know.

00:19:34.160 --> 00:19:36.480
The the consumer doesn't know what's going on behind the scenes.

00:19:36.720 --> 00:19:36.960
Right.

00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:45.920
So that didn't align with us because we we cared about customers and we want them to have a good experience and we want to have a good solid business.

00:19:46.079 --> 00:19:48.240
So we got out of that pretty quickly.

00:19:49.119 --> 00:19:53.119
And then we moved to Amazon FBA, that was before COVID.

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We were doing Amazon heavily, and then at some point we thought, okay, let's open a warehouse in Phoenix.

00:20:00.799 --> 00:20:00.960
Yeah.

00:20:01.279 --> 00:20:03.039
And then we're looking at places.

00:20:03.119 --> 00:20:10.880
Uh we were actually when we were doing uh Amazon FBA, we were building pallets with products from our house.

00:20:11.119 --> 00:20:11.279
Yeah.

00:20:11.519 --> 00:20:17.440
An 18 wheeler will show up weekly or so to pick up these pallets.

00:20:17.680 --> 00:20:24.400
We were embarrassed with our neighbors, but like we'll ship one to two, one to three pallets from our house, from our garage.

00:20:24.720 --> 00:20:25.599
We were just grinding.

00:20:25.680 --> 00:20:33.680
I was just working, and then at night I was just basically packing, creating the products and all this kind of you know, products to sell on Amazon, FBA.

00:20:34.000 --> 00:20:36.960
And then at some point we thought, all right, let's get a warehouse.

00:20:37.200 --> 00:20:37.519
Yeah.

00:20:37.759 --> 00:20:44.000
And then we were so close to get a warehouse, and then again we like, okay, let's wait on the back up.

00:20:44.400 --> 00:20:45.920
Now we're gonna need employees, right?

00:20:46.319 --> 00:20:49.279
Rent again, getting back into the same state.

00:20:50.480 --> 00:20:54.480
If the employees don't show up, we have to break our backs.

00:20:54.799 --> 00:20:59.039
Now we have to do the packaging and palletizing and all that, you know.

00:20:59.279 --> 00:21:01.440
And then we were like, okay, no, we don't want that.

00:21:01.599 --> 00:21:01.839
Right.

00:21:02.000 --> 00:21:02.880
And then we backed off.

00:21:03.119 --> 00:21:03.440
Yeah.

00:21:03.599 --> 00:21:05.039
Then we had to get clear again.

00:21:05.200 --> 00:21:10.799
We had to we had to really figure stuff out because we did not want to go down that road again.

00:21:10.960 --> 00:21:14.799
And then then again, that tied us to another location again as well.

00:21:14.880 --> 00:21:22.640
Like, okay, now we're stuck in the area that we live in and we can't go travel a month out of the year or whatever.

00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:25.279
We still can't do that, but we want to be able to do that.

00:21:25.519 --> 00:21:28.559
Yeah, we we modify the business, the FBA, the Amazon FBA.

00:21:28.640 --> 00:21:33.759
We're still we're still doing it, we're still doing uh uh different products, doesn't require pallets.

00:21:33.839 --> 00:21:36.160
It could require pallets, but we're not doing pallets.

00:21:36.319 --> 00:21:39.519
But we modify the business, but again, we're tied up.

00:21:39.759 --> 00:21:40.640
We're still working the business.

00:21:40.799 --> 00:21:41.759
We're still working, yeah.

00:21:41.920 --> 00:21:45.039
So uh but from our own house and it's just you and I.

00:21:45.200 --> 00:21:55.759
So but we have it in a position where when we grow it enough, we can outsource it to like a third party that would ship on our behalf and all that.

00:21:55.839 --> 00:21:59.440
But we're we're not there yet because as you know, Ken just lost his job.

00:21:59.519 --> 00:22:05.920
So We're trying to take on as much of the work as we can ourselves so we can save on costs and whatnot.

00:22:06.079 --> 00:22:09.519
But um that also keeps us small and it keeps us not growing.

00:22:09.839 --> 00:22:10.160
Yeah.

00:22:10.319 --> 00:22:12.880
Again, we're just kind of tweaking and tweaking and tweaking.

00:22:13.039 --> 00:22:13.359
Yep.

00:22:13.599 --> 00:22:16.079
To kind of find the spot that we want to be.

00:22:16.319 --> 00:22:16.640
Yeah.

00:22:16.799 --> 00:22:20.319
And but more so, that's not even our end game, anyways.

00:22:20.400 --> 00:22:30.720
I think our our end game is I want I as I said, like my goal has always been to I want to help people in some level and some capacity.

00:22:31.200 --> 00:22:32.480
And you do as well.

00:22:32.720 --> 00:22:32.880
Yes.

00:22:33.440 --> 00:22:33.680
Yes.

00:22:33.759 --> 00:22:34.079
Yeah.

00:22:34.319 --> 00:22:37.359
Yeah, those the final goal is not only about making money.

00:22:37.519 --> 00:22:38.880
We talked about this in the past.

00:22:39.119 --> 00:22:40.960
The final goal is just to help people.

00:22:41.519 --> 00:22:43.599
That's what what actually resonates with us.

00:22:43.680 --> 00:22:51.680
You know, in the beginning we were younger, okay, you want to make money, but in the back of our heads, like you said, when you that you wanted to get your uh psychology degree.

00:22:51.920 --> 00:22:55.119
Your psychology degree always was about to helping people.

00:22:55.200 --> 00:22:55.359
Right.

00:22:55.519 --> 00:23:00.160
You know, and we talked about that, about to have we can build an organization where we can help people.

00:23:00.400 --> 00:23:11.200
One of my dreams now, you know, is just to be a philanthropist, to help all these people out you know, out there, kids, family that are struggling.

00:23:11.359 --> 00:23:14.160
I don't know, I have so many things that I want to do.

00:23:14.319 --> 00:23:16.799
Right, you know, and that gets me excited.

00:23:16.960 --> 00:23:18.559
Yeah, that gets me excited.

00:23:18.640 --> 00:23:21.359
Like now I feel like, okay, this is my purpose.

00:23:21.599 --> 00:23:23.119
I finally found it.

00:23:23.359 --> 00:23:28.720
You know, as I go, I'm still kind of putting the pieces together to how can I accomplish that.

00:23:28.960 --> 00:23:30.559
But now I feel fully aligned.

00:23:30.640 --> 00:23:33.440
And again, it was just kind of tuning a guitar, you know.

00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:41.759
So for those out there that are still thinking, okay, I hate my job, I hate my career path, I hate what I'm doing.

00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:47.039
But it's like I'm I feel like I'm just basically advising myself if I was younger.

00:23:47.519 --> 00:23:49.759
Hey, write a list, start from there.

00:23:49.920 --> 00:23:50.160
Yeah.

00:23:50.319 --> 00:23:58.000
A small list, and then pick, you know, maybe 20 ideas, yeah, and then pick one of those and then start from there.

00:23:58.079 --> 00:24:00.319
And then can you start tuning in as you go?

00:24:00.640 --> 00:24:07.519
And then also, in addition to your list, you should really think about how you want your daily life to look like.

00:24:07.839 --> 00:24:08.880
Oh, yeah, that's very important.

00:24:09.119 --> 00:24:10.240
It that was huge for us.

00:24:10.400 --> 00:24:13.599
We really needed to define what we wanted our day to look like.

00:24:13.759 --> 00:24:28.240
So for us, it was like we wanted to get up and take our daughter to school, and we wanted to come home, work out together, eat breakfast together, shower, then start our day working from our home office.

00:24:28.480 --> 00:24:31.519
And right now, that is what our life looks like.

00:24:31.680 --> 00:24:31.920
Yeah.

00:24:32.160 --> 00:24:35.440
But that didn't come quickly or easily for us.

00:24:35.519 --> 00:24:41.759
We've worked really hard to get here, and still we have this big unknown because you know, Ken lost his job.

00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:45.359
Slowly and gradually it started taking shape.

00:24:45.519 --> 00:24:46.799
It started taking form.

00:24:47.359 --> 00:24:58.799
First, it was me because I back in 2019, well, like a year after we moved here, I was working remotely from Connecticut um in Arizona.

00:24:59.039 --> 00:25:06.799
The company I was working for remotely went out of business, and that's when COVID kind of hit and all these things were going on.

00:25:07.119 --> 00:25:14.240
And so I was able to stay at home and work from home on our Amazon business while you were working.

00:25:14.400 --> 00:25:14.720
Yeah.

00:25:15.039 --> 00:25:20.000
But, you know, the goal was okay, how do we get both of us out of our jobs?

00:25:20.160 --> 00:25:21.119
How can we do that?

00:25:21.279 --> 00:25:31.920
And so the funny thing is about you losing your job is that I keep saying, like, we would never have taken that step, and unless we were making, you know, Fuco bucks every month.

00:25:32.160 --> 00:25:33.759
We would never have taken that step.

00:25:33.920 --> 00:25:38.960
And so we were just like waiting in the water, like floating there.

00:25:39.119 --> 00:25:42.160
Like we weren't moving up and we weren't moving down.

00:25:42.319 --> 00:25:45.839
We were just like, you know, even Steven, yeah, Pluto.

00:25:46.400 --> 00:25:48.480
So we really needed that push.

00:25:48.799 --> 00:25:50.319
Yeah, we needed that push, definitely.

00:25:50.640 --> 00:25:57.759
Another thing that I'm going kind of my brain travels back when I was younger, and I'm trying to like, hey King, you should have done this.

00:25:57.920 --> 00:25:58.720
You know what I mean?

00:25:58.880 --> 00:25:59.200
Yeah.

00:25:59.599 --> 00:26:01.599
Like, when do you feel most alive?

00:26:01.920 --> 00:26:02.160
Yeah.

00:26:02.720 --> 00:26:05.519
Or what topics do you constantly research?

00:26:06.079 --> 00:26:12.319
You know, because again, we're always kinda looking, we're always kinda molding this persona that you want to be, right?

00:26:12.960 --> 00:26:13.599
You want to be happy.

00:26:13.680 --> 00:26:16.240
That's the the that's the bottom line, that's the goal.

00:26:16.480 --> 00:26:18.000
And again, it's not only about the money.

00:26:18.400 --> 00:26:20.079
Like you said, what kind of lifestyle do you want?

00:26:20.240 --> 00:26:21.920
You know, that was very important for us.

00:26:22.160 --> 00:26:22.640
Yeah.

00:26:23.200 --> 00:26:28.960
We also talk earlier about that many people feel guilty wanting something different.

00:26:29.200 --> 00:26:29.519
Right.

00:26:29.680 --> 00:26:30.799
You know, that's weird.

00:26:31.039 --> 00:26:31.359
Yeah.

00:26:31.599 --> 00:26:34.640
They just have this guilt, like, but I'm a doctor.

00:26:34.799 --> 00:26:35.200
Yeah.

00:26:35.359 --> 00:26:36.799
You know, I get a degree.

00:26:37.119 --> 00:26:38.799
I have to go to the hospital.

00:26:38.960 --> 00:26:42.880
You know, and they like, hey, but do you enjoy being a doctor?

00:26:43.039 --> 00:26:47.359
Maybe that person is enjoying at some point helping people, you know.

00:26:47.599 --> 00:26:52.160
But at some point, maybe the doctor doesn't want to be a doctor anymore, wants to be a writer.

00:26:52.400 --> 00:26:55.440
What actually really resonated with a doctor was to be a writer.

00:26:55.680 --> 00:26:58.240
But a doctor feels this guilt.

00:26:58.480 --> 00:26:58.960
Guilt.

00:26:59.200 --> 00:26:59.279
Yeah.

00:26:59.599 --> 00:27:01.279
I gotta decree, I gotta go.

00:27:01.440 --> 00:27:01.599
Yeah.

00:27:01.759 --> 00:27:06.880
You know, and it's great that you're helping people and all that, you know, but now you're being selfish with yourself.

00:27:07.119 --> 00:27:09.279
You know, and now you're being like that, you're torn.

00:27:09.680 --> 00:27:11.119
That happens to a lot of people.

00:27:11.359 --> 00:27:19.599
And you're being selfish with the world too, because the world needs whatever you have to write about or whatever you have to offer.

00:27:19.839 --> 00:27:24.400
Even though you're helping people, and that's when I think, you know, just give you a random example here, right?

00:27:24.480 --> 00:27:26.799
It's like in a delicate situation, right?

00:27:26.880 --> 00:27:35.359
Okay, do I go to work to help people to help my patients and or with that just start writing?

00:27:35.599 --> 00:27:43.599
Now, you can probably write wonderful things that can even help more people that you don't even know, but you're just holding it.

00:27:43.759 --> 00:27:43.920
Right.

00:27:44.079 --> 00:27:44.319
Right?

00:27:44.400 --> 00:27:50.960
Because you're just afraid to disappoint maybe your parents, disappoint your spouse, disappoint yourself, you're afraid of failure.

00:27:51.279 --> 00:27:54.319
We're all we all have the afraid of failure, right?

00:27:54.960 --> 00:27:58.400
So, so it's okay to uh redesign your life.

00:27:58.640 --> 00:27:59.039
Yes.

00:27:59.279 --> 00:27:59.519
Right?

00:27:59.759 --> 00:28:01.599
Somehow you have to find a way, okay.

00:28:01.839 --> 00:28:04.480
Have to have to do something.

00:28:04.799 --> 00:28:05.119
Right.

00:28:05.359 --> 00:28:11.119
Well, it's even like on a lesser scale, we're kind of in that situation now with you with your job.

00:28:11.200 --> 00:28:15.359
Like, we're afraid to tell my dad that you lost your job.

00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:18.799
We were afraid to tell your mom that you lost your job.

00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:21.599
Because they'll start pressuring.

00:28:21.759 --> 00:28:21.920
Yeah.

00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:24.640
When you're getting another job, go out and get another job.

00:28:24.720 --> 00:28:25.200
Hurry up.

00:28:25.680 --> 00:28:27.039
Like they're scared for you.

00:28:27.200 --> 00:28:32.319
They're like, what are you gonna do about health insurance and how are you gonna pay your bills and all this other stuff?

00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:34.400
And it just puts so much more pressure on you.

00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:42.640
So it's like, you know, I've I've told my mom that you lost your job because she is an or was an entrepreneur.

00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:50.720
She's retired now and sold her businesses, but you know, so she kind of understands what it takes to be an entrepreneur, but a lot of people don't.

00:28:50.799 --> 00:29:00.079
And a lot of people don't understand even if you don't want to be an entrepreneur, they don't understand that you need space to kind of figure it out.

00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:05.119
And it's really hard to do when you have a full-time job and all these responsibilities.

00:29:05.279 --> 00:29:11.519
It's time it's it's hard to sit back and be like, let me take a month off and just sit here and think, you know.

00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:18.559
When I told my mom, finally after you didn't tell her until well over a month later.

00:29:19.039 --> 00:29:24.079
Yeah, because my mom is gonna see she's gonna tell me she's gonna get a scare.

00:29:25.119 --> 00:29:25.440
Right.

00:29:25.680 --> 00:29:26.160
Exactly.

00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:28.559
It's not about me.

00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:31.200
It is about me getting her fears onto you.

00:29:31.680 --> 00:29:38.319
She is like because in her in her own world she has these fears just like your dad.

00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:38.880
Right.

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You need a job.

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And yeah, I know that.

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I know what mom is gonna tell me I know, I know that.

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But she's telling me based on her fears.

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Right.

00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:52.640
And then now she's gonna feed uh feed my fears.

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And I don't want that.

00:29:54.319 --> 00:29:54.559
Right.

00:29:54.720 --> 00:30:00.079
We have enough of our own fears, we don't need to take on anybody else's energy of around fears.

00:30:01.920 --> 00:30:06.799
Right because I'm trying to really you know create this new me.

00:30:06.880 --> 00:30:08.240
Yeah, you know what I mean?

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That I'm kinda choosing to be trying to mold, you know, this new persona again.

00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:20.480
And I don't want it just my mom to kinda tell me all the reasons why I should just go get a job.

00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:25.839
Which is exactly why I'm not even telling my dad, because I'll be like, Did Ken get a job yet?

00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:27.279
How many did he apply for today?

00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:29.519
Oh my god, how many interviews is he going on?

00:30:29.680 --> 00:30:38.160
And I don't want his negativity pressuring me because I'm trying to keep my head above the water with not panicking about the situation as it is.

00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:38.799
Exactly.

00:30:39.039 --> 00:30:42.720
I don't need somebody dragging me down, like you said, under the water.

00:30:42.799 --> 00:30:44.240
Like I don't I don't need that.

00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:45.039
I don't need that.

00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:48.880
I always and I said this in previous episode, I always expect the best.

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Every single day I get up expecting the best.

00:30:51.759 --> 00:30:54.960
Rewriting your story, rewiring my brain.

00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:57.920
Yes, you know, things are happening.

00:30:58.400 --> 00:30:59.519
You know, things are happening.

00:30:59.599 --> 00:31:00.720
I'm creating something.

00:31:00.880 --> 00:31:02.559
We are we are all creators.

00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:03.039
Yeah.

00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:05.519
And again, we just forget about that too.

00:31:05.839 --> 00:31:06.079
Yeah.

00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:15.680
And we all need we all don't have a a cheerleader in our corner that's going to lift us up and be like, You got this, come on, oh my god, you can do it.

00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:23.920
No, most of the time it's more the opposite of where they want to drag you down, not because they don't want you to succeed, but because they're scared.

00:31:24.400 --> 00:31:34.799
Your friends, your family, they get scared for you, they get nervous and they think, Oh, geez, they're never gonna be able to do this, they're never gonna be able to pull that off, or they can't switch careers now.

00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:44.880
They've been doing this for their whole life and they have a family to feed and this and that, and those things are true, but both can be true at the same time.

00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:57.599
You can have those responsibilities and you can work on yourself and your goals and your dreams and you need to be because you know, at some point you will be able to make the switch.

00:31:57.839 --> 00:32:02.079
Yeah, yeah, I know it's okay to redesign your life or my life.

00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:02.400
Yeah.

00:32:02.720 --> 00:32:04.559
Because again, that's resonating with me.

00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:07.359
I'm choosing happiness at a cost.

00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:08.640
Yes, there's always a cost.

00:32:09.200 --> 00:32:10.640
You're never gonna avoid the cost.

00:32:11.680 --> 00:32:15.359
There's a cost if I do it or if I don't do it, I'm gonna get a bail anyways.

00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:15.920
Right.

00:32:16.480 --> 00:32:16.799
Right.

00:32:17.359 --> 00:32:21.039
So that's why I'm deciding okay, we're doing the podcast.

00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:23.920
We've been doing e-commerce for a long time now.

00:32:25.839 --> 00:32:26.400
We love it.

00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:28.880
And we just wanna help people.

00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:29.680
Right.

00:32:29.920 --> 00:32:52.400
This is this is the the icing on the cake for me is doing the podcast, and that's why we want this to work because this does fuel my soul and it fulfills me being able to share experience and share knowledge and help people, and hopefully they can help me as well, because I you know, we're we're going through this too.

00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:53.359
Oh, yeah, absolutely.

00:32:53.599 --> 00:32:56.000
We're not we haven't made it to the top.

00:32:56.240 --> 00:32:57.279
Yeah, we're building together.

00:32:57.359 --> 00:32:58.079
Oh, absolutely.

00:32:58.319 --> 00:32:58.480
Right.

00:32:58.640 --> 00:33:01.119
Yeah, we're building together, but again, you have to be excited.

00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:02.559
You have to be excited.

00:33:03.039 --> 00:33:04.480
I am excited every single day.

00:33:04.640 --> 00:33:08.079
Yeah, sometimes I get like, oh right, we get nervous.

00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:09.200
Yeah.

00:33:09.440 --> 00:33:11.359
You know, but then I'm just like, okay, all right.

00:33:11.839 --> 00:33:12.640
Come on, move on.

00:33:12.880 --> 00:33:19.599
Yeah, everything is working out, and that's the approach that I need to have in order to get stuff accomplished.

00:33:20.079 --> 00:33:23.359
I'm not trying to fool myself, I'm actually lifting up myself.

00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:33.440
Right, you know, because you know, this is the ch the life I choose, the the new path I choose, and I'm walking through it not knowing what's the next step.

00:33:33.599 --> 00:33:34.000
Right.

00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:38.079
So, and it's scary, yeah, it's scary, but it's really scary.

00:33:38.319 --> 00:33:50.480
Yeah, we know that there's a lot of people out there that they're or are stuck at a job or stuck in a business that they don't like, or stuck in a relationship, and they don't even know what to pick.

00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:56.480
Some people are just actually lucky that they have so many interests or so many opportunities.

00:33:57.359 --> 00:33:58.559
Hey, I have money in the bank.

00:33:58.720 --> 00:34:01.920
I can go to any college in in the US or in the world.

00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:02.240
Right.

00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:03.440
I can pay for it.

00:34:03.599 --> 00:34:06.319
But now the problem is what what that person wants.

00:34:06.559 --> 00:34:10.559
That the person doesn't know, she doesn't know the right path to go to.

00:34:10.719 --> 00:34:18.000
And that's why you I think that you should just write a list and get the things that actually excite you first and then tweak as you go.

00:34:18.159 --> 00:34:19.199
Because that's what we've been doing.

00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:21.119
And design the design your day.

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Picture your perfect day.

00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:29.760
That's the biggest key takeaway that should be for people is to just design your day in your mind the way you want to wake up every day.

00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:31.440
Yeah, and the list is gonna change.

00:34:31.840 --> 00:34:32.159
Why?

00:34:32.320 --> 00:34:34.559
Because of course, yeah, your life is changing too.

00:34:34.719 --> 00:34:35.920
You're getting older.

00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:36.400
Yep.

00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:44.159
You know, if you used to party when you're in 20s or your 30s, you're gonna feel like, ugh, I don't feel like going to that club anymore.

00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:44.639
Right.

00:34:44.800 --> 00:34:46.159
Now you have to kind of what?

00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:47.519
Rewrite the list.

00:34:47.679 --> 00:34:47.920
Right.

00:34:48.159 --> 00:34:48.639
Tweak it.

00:34:48.719 --> 00:34:49.039
Yeah.

00:34:49.119 --> 00:34:49.360
Right.

00:34:49.599 --> 00:34:54.880
Or if you meet someone that has two kids and you don't have any kids, or if you want to have kids, now you have to tweak it again.

00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:57.280
So you're always tweaking the list.

00:34:57.519 --> 00:35:06.000
So the first thing that you want to do is just okay, what makes me excited about life right now, and start from there.

00:35:06.239 --> 00:35:07.920
That's what I would do if I were younger.

00:35:08.159 --> 00:35:20.960
So, yes, a a list of the things that excite you, the things that you want to spend your time doing, the environment you want to be living in, just a list of things that you're excited about, get you get you motivated, what's in your heart?

00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:23.519
Yeah, what do you really, really want to do?

00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:31.840
And don't feel guilty about not about wanting to change something in your life or wanting to better your life, because this is your life to live.

00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:34.079
Yeah, nobody needs to approve of it.

00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:34.880
Nobody.

00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:42.880
And if you need somebody to approve of it, we are here to approve it for you, and we will be your cheerleaders because we'll be cheering you on.

00:35:43.039 --> 00:35:46.880
We don't we're here to be supportive of people that want to better their lives.

00:35:47.119 --> 00:35:47.920
Absolutely.

00:35:48.079 --> 00:35:50.239
All right, so I think that's it for today, Kim.

00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:50.639
Yep.

00:35:50.800 --> 00:35:51.679
That's a wrap up.

00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:52.960
All right, we'll see you guys next time.

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Talk to you later.

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All right, bye-bye.

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Bye.

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